Fabio Wibmer - Fabiolous Escape 2 - Duration: 10:01. We would think they would lose against the 1974 surely which I think surely isn´t right. can anyone make the other players plz, i really want to edit my game! I think if we do as we do it at the moment then the next generation or or even one generation after the next generation of PES Editor, (if PES is still existing), will look back on our stats and thinking in comparison to 70-90 the player of 2005-2015 are worse. In my post i never wanted to say that Boa or Hummels are as good as Köhler and so on in pure defensing. Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests---------------------------------- Sepp Maier ----------------------------------

Players such as Jürgen Croy (I personally think Croy was a better goalkeeper than Schumacher and possibly even Kahn too, he was a phenomenal goalkeeper and many people rate him up their with the likes of Maier and Schmeichael), Konrad Weise, Hans-Jürgen Dörner (possibly both Wiese and Dörner could be ahead of Buchwald, especially Dörner), Joachim Streich, Ulf Kirsten.They can throw centres to Bierhoff, Seeler or MullerThey can kick from outside the area with great precisionThey defend with Brehme, Matthaus, Littbarski and Klinnsmann Klose, Lahm and Schweinsteiger deserve to be in the first team and Mertesacker and Podolski in the reserves. We had IV with 90-95 in the Defense now we have IV with 83-88 in DEF. Now with the WC title they are real legends of the German game. Surely your right the training and so on changed dramtically but that hasn´t to do anything with the ratings of the player I think.

Your example of STA is a good example I think.

I have a few things: First Illgner may be deleted. I always think about, how would we rate these legends when we could go back to this time and editing stats in this time.

i do not think so, for me ballack is more representative and better than schweinsteiger, not a lot better, but better enough.

Home Page >> Classic Players >> 70's. Ok alright. Maybe then Schweinsteiger has stats like Beckenbauer because he also is a legend. Since I got not feedback about the Ballack/Schweinsteiger debate, I put Scheini in there as a world champion.

i'm newbie Then you can add more than Kopke Goalkeeper, because he has certainly done the greater merit, or even Toni Turek, because the 54-Eleven in Germany has a special significance.Don't bother just to be better than your contemporaries or predecessors. So maybe on all star team from 1950-1995 as example and then from 1995 on one team. For me, I stuggled to win with the original formation and felt it lacked width and height in midfield and was slightly too attacking.

Football changed so dramatically that a lot of "legends" wouldn´t be "legends" if they would play like they played in their time now. If you see this it seems that football get worse and worse from year to year.

Though he was the goalkeeper at the World Cup 90, but no one has ever really noticed.

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest"You do ill if you praise, and still worse if you reprove in a matter you do not understand." can teach me how to download this team?? MANAGER: Helmut SCHÖN GOALKEEPERS: 1 Sepp MAIER 21 Norbert NIGBUR 22 Wolfgang KLEFF DEFENDERS: 2 Berti VOGTS 3 Paul BREITNER 4 Hans-Georg SCHWARZENBECK 5 Franz BECKENBAUER 6 Horst-Dieter HÖTTGES 20 Helmut KREMERS MIDFIELDERS: 7 Herbert WIMMER 8 Bernd CULLMANN 10 Günter NETZER 12 Wolfgang OVERATH 14 Uli HOENEß 15 Heinz FLOHE 16 Rainer … - Da Vinci"If you are first you are first. In my post i never wanted to say that Boa or Hummels are as good as Köhler and so on in pure defensing. So it also was much more easier to defend on world class level.

i mean brehme instead of kohler in the eleven

You picked up two sentences of the whole post and posted a line of players against it. Some points seemed more clearly to me now but some other are still weird. Now, only Rahn needs to be made. I have to say all the classic ratings have no sense for me. Surely there are some gods like Maradona or Pele against which defending was like defending against Messi but there were just a few of them. One way is that we just stop comparing players from today. Post by PES Stats Database » 2016 Jun 21 , 22:27 . There is just no relation between the ratings of the "legends" and of the player now.There is just no relation between the ratings of the "legends" and of the player nowSo the football gets better, faster, more athletic but because of that player gets worse. Updated. Okay, now that the World Cup is over it's time to have some constructive discussion over here.Football changed so dramatically that a lot of "legends" wouldn´t be "legends" if they would play like they played in their time now. 2:54. So there were a just a few superb player und the rest was low average.

It´s a argument that doesn´t count when we just rate what abilities the player have. If you are second, you are nothing" - Bill Shankly. Germany in the 70s was a very attacking team that played 4-2-4 or 4-3-3 (not 3-5-2 as we normally think what Germany would play, they only played 3-5-2 in the 80s and 90s), so I have no problem with an attacking formation. He played for Borussia Mönchengladbach in the Bundesliga his whole professional club career and won the FIFA World Cup with West Germany in 1974. - Da Vinci Club: Liverpool FC Growth type: Standard/Lasting INFO: ... season in the 67th to give the Reds the lead once more and with five minutes left Keegan was brought down by man marker Berti Vogts in the penalty area. GER MANY 1996.