You have it everywhere else. There’s gonna be this new generation that rises up to really hold people accountable and affect change long term.TR: So glad you asked that question. And so it’s not a matter of either-or.

He has served in ministry for more than 24 years and is a sought-after speaker both nationally and internationally. He was guest speaker this weekend at Gateway Church in Southlake, Texas---my online church home. So that not only in public, but in private, when we hear something that’s racist; because we’ve had so much cross cultural conversation, we can take that back to our more homogenised locations and go “You can’t say that, that’s absolutely racist”, or “That’s ridiculously insensitive”, or “That act or behavior is something that is really divisive, and I don’t think you should say that anymore”.When we’re challenging people, not only in public, but in private, that’s where we’re really going to see this change.TR: What’s been beautiful that I’ve been finding out, and I’ve heard this from so many of my black friends and family is, their white friends and their white neighbors are actually reaching out and saying, “May I have a conversation with you? They’re being humble, and they’re not approaching it so defensively.When I tell my white friends and family that they have white privilege, they’re not getting mad and trying to say, “No, I don’t”. To go to the back of the restaurant to pick up food because they couldn’t walk through the front door.Yet they looked me in the eyes and said, “Don’t allow anything that you see in this country to make you think that people are always evil. No, it’s not logical, but in the heat of the moment when anger spills over and it doesn’t have words to label exactly what it is. A relationship with God is very, very important. And they are apologising.

It was those that God made a covenant relationship with starting with Abraham in Genesis 11. But this is a long history over hundreds of years in this country that I feel has crescendoed, to a generation that is more galvanised, more digitised and more technologically connected than any previous generation prior to this one. Don’t allow anything that you see in this country to make you think that all police are bad”.And my mom had a little extra weight behind those words because she actually worked for the Los Angeles Police Department for 30 years.So we have a very high regard for law enforcement within our family and I went to school and studied administration of justice because I wanted to be a homicide detective.

Martin Luther King Jr. said, years ago, that ‘a riot is the language of the unheard’. The most interesting people are the most curious people. A lot of work to do. They had experienced segregation first hand. And he makes this important statement that gives a context that I think we all need: “Father forgive them, because they don’t know what they’re doing.”TR: Absolutely. When you saw that officer’s knee on George Floyd’s neck for almost nine minutes, with the man begging just to get air… what it epitomised with his hands behind his back, and a knee in his neck, was what so many black people have felt in this country over hundreds of years. And you’ve just given other people permission to be as brave as you. Yet there are hundreds of thousands of beautiful police officers who have dedicated their life and put their life there. When my white friends yell, they’re “passionate white people”. Tim Ross is the pastor of Embassy City Church in Irving, Texas, author of Upset the World and presenter of the YouTube series Upset the News. ‘Admit it, quit it, forget it’. I just want to tell you how powerful it is and how to use it in the same way that Uncle Ben told a young ‘Peter Parker’ I mean, you showing up in your beautiful white skin literally legitimises our outcry; in the same way in the 60s when Mark Martin Luther King did his “I Have a Dream” speech, white people’s presence, legitimise the words that he said.